Legislature(2003 - 2004)

03/03/2004 01:58 PM House JUD

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HB 403 - ALASKA INSURANCE GUARANTY ASSOCIATION                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Contains  mention that  SB 276,  the companion  bill to  HB 403,                                                               
would be  heard by  the House Judiciary  Standing Committee  at a                                                               
later date.]                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0265                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE announced that the  next order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  403, "An  Act relating  to the  Alaska Insurance                                                               
Guaranty  Association; relating  to joint  insurance arrangements                                                               
and assessments  to the  association; relating  to the  powers of                                                               
the   Alaska   Industrial   Development  and   Export   Authority                                                               
concerning  the  association;  and  providing  for  an  effective                                                               
date."  [Before the committee was CSHB 403(L&C).]                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0265                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LINDA  HALL,  Director,  Division  of  Insurance,  Department  of                                                               
Community &  Economic Development  (DCED), explained that  HB 403                                                               
is  intended  to  address  a   funding  shortage  in  the  Alaska                                                               
Insurance Guaranty Association [Fund].  She said:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The [Alaska Insurance  Guaranty Association] was formed                                                                    
     under statute, and its  members are insurance companies                                                                    
     who  write business  in  Alaska.   The  purpose of  the                                                                    
     [Alaska Insurance Guaranty  Association] is to minimize                                                                    
     financial  loss to  both  policyholders and  claimants;                                                                    
     they provide  payment of claims  - step in place  of an                                                                    
     insolvent  insurer.   Assessments are  made to  provide                                                                    
     the  funds to  pay  those  claims.   In  July of  2003,                                                                    
     Fremont  Indemnity  Company  ["Fremont"]  was  declared                                                                    
     insolvent by the Los Angeles  superior court, and while                                                                    
     they had  not actively written business  since early in                                                                    
     2001, they  left behind estimated claim  reserves, over                                                                    
     a period  of time, of $60  million.  When they  were an                                                                    
     active  insurer they  wrote 27  percent  of the  Alaska                                                                    
     workers' compensation market, so  it was [a] very large                                                                    
     percentage of our market.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     At the  time they  were declared insolvent,  there were                                                                    
     two other  insolvent workers' compensation  insurers in                                                                    
     the [Alaska Insurance  Guaranty Association]:  Reliance                                                                    
     Insurance    Company,    which   was    domiciled    in                                                                    
     Pennsylvania, the largest  insolvency of [an] insurance                                                                    
     carrier  ever  to  occur in  this  country;  and  Paula                                                                    
     Insurance  [Company], also  domiciled, as  was Fremont,                                                                    
     in California.  The  magnitude, however, of the Fremont                                                                    
     insolvency  far  surpassed  any prior  insolvency,  and                                                                    
     exceeded  the   resources  of  the   [Alaska  Insurance                                                                    
     Guaranty Association].  The  assessments of the [Alaska                                                                    
     Insurance  Guaranty Association]  currently are  capped                                                                    
     in statute  at 2 percent.   That 2 percent  raises $4.2                                                                    
     million  on   an  annual  basis;   November,  December,                                                                    
     January claim  payments were ranging from  $1.7 million                                                                    
     to $2.1 million  per month, so you can see  the size of                                                                    
     the gap.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0439                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     We  have had  insolvencies  in Alaska  for probably  20                                                                    
     years.   We've  always been  able to  cover them;  this                                                                    
     safety  net provided  for  policyholders  when we  have                                                                    
     insolvencies.   In this particular case,  we're dealing                                                                    
     with   workers'   compensation.      When   there   are                                                                    
     insufficient  funds in  the [Alaska  Insurance Guaranty                                                                    
     Association],  statute  allows  a  prorating  of  claim                                                                    
     payments.   In August  I received,  as the  director of                                                                    
     the Division  of Insurance, a  letter from  the [Alaska                                                                    
     Insurance  Guaranty  Association]   indicating  it  was                                                                    
     their  intent to  begin prorating  claims because  they                                                                    
     could  see  they  were not  going  to  have  sufficient                                                                    
     money.   This seemed to all  of us to be  an absolutely                                                                    
     unacceptable  solution,   as  it  would   mean  injured                                                                    
     workers  would  start  receiving  partial  weekly  wage                                                                    
     benefits,  and partial  payments  would  go to  medical                                                                    
     providers.   We felt the  impact on claimants  would be                                                                    
     disastrous.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL also said:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     To give you an idea of  the magnitude, on February 2 of                                                                    
     this  year  there  were 598  open  claims  for  injured                                                                    
     workers; that's  from four insolvent carriers.   On the                                                                    
     other side  of that  lack of  payment to  claimants, we                                                                    
     have where  that obligation  would go  next -  the next                                                                    
     place  that obligation  will go  will be  to employers.                                                                    
     Workers'   compensation  is   an   obligation  of   the                                                                    
     employer,  typically satisfied  by  the  purchase of  a                                                                    
     workers'  compensation  policy.     When  we  have  the                                                                    
     scenario  that   developed,  ...   we  now   have  that                                                                    
     obligation  going back  to an  employer  - an  employer                                                                    
     who, in good faith,  purchased an insurance policy, who                                                                    
     felt  they had  taken care  of their  obligation, [and]                                                                    
     who   ...   [now   has]  an   unanticipated   financial                                                                    
     obligation back.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     We have 380 Alaskan  employers who have injured workers                                                                    
     whose  claims are  currently being  funded through  the                                                                    
     [Alaska Insurance Guaranty  Association].  Those claims                                                                    
     for those  380 employers,  or the 598  injured workers,                                                                    
     can  range from  very  minimal amounts  up  to ...  one                                                                    
     claim  that's reserved  at $5  million.   We're talking                                                                    
     [about a] substantial  financial obligation potentially                                                                    
     faced by Alaskan employers.   It's our concern, it's my                                                                    
     concern, that this  unanticipated additional cost could                                                                    
     truly stretch small businesses to  the point where they                                                                    
     could  no  longer stay  in  business  - they  could  be                                                                    
     forced to file  bankruptcy or to, at  minimum, ... have                                                                    
     no assets to function their business.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0607                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[Chair McGuire turned the gavel over to Vice Chair Anderson.]                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL continued:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The potential for a prorating  of claims was averted in                                                                    
     the end of 2003 through  a series of, first, loans from                                                                    
     the  California  liquidator.    The  [Alaska  Insurance                                                                    
     Guaranty  Association]  received  $5 million  from  the                                                                    
     California liquidator,  [$4.5 million] from  the estate                                                                    
     of   Fremont,  $500,000   from  the   Paula  [Insurance                                                                    
     Company]  estate,  [and at]  the  end  of December,  we                                                                    
     received $2.6 million  from the Pennsylvania department                                                                    
     of  insurance from  the estate  of Reliance  [Insurance                                                                    
     Company].  So sufficient funds  came in, along with the                                                                    
     assessments  that  were  done,  to  allow  the  [Alaska                                                                    
     Insurance  Guaranty  Association  Fund] to  pay  claims                                                                    
     through the end of the  year and they have continued to                                                                    
     pay claims.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Anticipated   date,   currently,   that   the   [Alaska                                                                    
     Insurance Guaranty  Association Fund]  will run  out of                                                                    
     money is probably  the end of May - we  will run out of                                                                    
     money this year - there will  be no money to pay claims                                                                    
     at  that  rate.  ...  The   funding  proposal  here  is                                                                    
     proposed to  find a steam  of funds  without requesting                                                                    
     what I  would call a  bailout of the industry  by state                                                                    
     funds.  With  the fiscal issues being  faced by Alaska,                                                                    
     it  seemed [inappropriate]  to ask  for money  from the                                                                    
     state,  so  we  chose  instead to  present  a  proposal                                                                    
     [such]  that all  employees  and  employers across  the                                                                    
     state  who  are  involved  in the  insurance  world  of                                                                    
     workers' compensation  would be  assessed ...,  as they                                                                    
     are today, for the cost of this insolvency.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Using  the basic  principles  of  insurance, we've  ...                                                                    
     tried to  spread the  risk so the  cost of  the funding                                                                    
     would go across  the workers' compensation environment.                                                                    
     There is little  question in my mind  that the proposed                                                                    
     solutions  are not  popular; at  first consideration  I                                                                    
     don't know  anybody who's  going to  stand up  and say,                                                                    
     "Oh, let  me pay" -  it doesn't usually work  that way.                                                                    
     The [Alaska  Insurance Guaranty Association Fund]  is a                                                                    
     safety  net.   Not  only  did  this legislature  create                                                                    
     that,  but every  other state  has  a similar  guaranty                                                                    
     fund.  It's been a  public policy adoption that we need                                                                    
     a mechanism to provide this safety net.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0719                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL added:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     In  the [Alaska  Insurance  Guaranty Association  Fund]                                                                    
     there are  three types  of accounts, and  I do  want to                                                                    
     describe this  so that  some of  ... the  provisions of                                                                    
     the  bill will  make a  little more  sense.   There are                                                                    
     three what  I would refer  to as  buckets:  there  is a                                                                    
     workers' compensation bucket; there  is an auto bucket;                                                                    
     and there  is an  "other" [bucket, which]  ... includes                                                                    
     everything  except  workers'   compensation  and  auto.                                                                    
     There  are  also a  few  coverage  lines that  are  not                                                                    
     covered by  the [Alaska Insurance  Guaranty Association                                                                    
     Fund] such  as surety  coverage and  fidelity coverage.                                                                    
     But  generally it  will  include homeowner's  coverage,                                                                    
     commercial   property,  commercial   liability,  boats,                                                                    
     anything that's not auto and [workers' compensation].                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Today, when we  have an insolvency, we  assess only the                                                                    
     line   of  business,   the   account,   that  has   the                                                                    
     insolvency;  in   a  particular   case,  we   are  only                                                                    
     assessing today  the workers' compensation  account for                                                                    
     the  insolvent  workers'  compensation carriers.    The                                                                    
     bill proposes to  change that to allow,  instead of the                                                                    
     current  2  percent  cap, ...  that  assessment  to  be                                                                    
     increased to 4  percent for the account  in which there                                                                    
     is  an insolvency.    The second  step  in the  process                                                                    
     would  be  to allow  an  assessment  of the  other  two                                                                    
     remaining  buckets -  the auto  bucket and  the "other"                                                                    
     bucket.    Doing  that  is  not  unprecedented,  either                                                                    
     around  the  country  or  in  Alaska;  18  states  have                                                                    
     structured their guaranty association  so that there is                                                                    
     a single  account, so any  insolvency is  spread across                                                                    
     all lines of business.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In our particular situation, today  in Alaska, there is                                                                    
     [a] guaranty  fund assessment  in that  "other" account                                                                    
     of  one half  of 1  percent [.5  percent] which  is now                                                                    
     being  applied,  or  can  be  applied,  to  (indisc.  -                                                                    
     coughing) your homeowner's  policy, commercial property                                                                    
     policies, whatever  falls in that "other"  account, and                                                                    
     it's done primarily due to  the insolvency of a medical                                                                    
     malpractice  carrier.    So   right  now,  today,  your                                                                    
     homeowner's  policy is  likely  being  assessed at  [.5                                                                    
     percent] to  pay for a medical  malpractice insolvency.                                                                    
     That  principle, to  me, I  find we  should be  able to                                                                    
     [carry]  that  out and  assess  across  those lines;  I                                                                    
     think we  already do it  with two exceptions,  [so] I'm                                                                    
     not sure  why we need  to make exceptions for  the auto                                                                    
     and the [workers' compensation]  accounts either.  So I                                                                    
     don't think this is an unprecedented action.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0914                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[Vice Chair Anderson returned the gavel to Chair McGuire.]                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL went on to say:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The third  step of the  current bill would be  to allow                                                                    
     [the   Alaska   Industrial   Development   and   Export                                                                    
     Authority  (AIDEA)]  to   provide  guarantees  for  the                                                                    
     [Alaska  Insurance  Guaranty   Association]  to  obtain                                                                    
     loans   to   meet   their  cash   requirements   should                                                                    
     assessments not  be enough.  We're  looking at plugging                                                                    
     a current  hole, but I'm  also looking for  a mechanism                                                                    
     [such] that  we never get  here again; I would  like to                                                                    
     make sure  that we're  never faced with  this prorating                                                                    
     of   claims.       The   [Alaska   Insurance   Guaranty                                                                    
     Association] currently  has the statutory  authority to                                                                    
     borrow  money, but  they are  not  a viable  commercial                                                                    
     loan prospect  - they don't  have any assets,  ... they                                                                    
     don't accumulate a bank of money.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     This is  called a  "post loss  assessment."   Only when                                                                    
     they have a  need for funds do they  make an assessment                                                                    
     on  an annual  basis; in  November of  last year,  they                                                                    
     determined they  needed their  assessment for  2004 and                                                                    
     they made  that assessment.   If  they, in  fact, would                                                                    
     run out  of money,  we would  like them  to be  able to                                                                    
     borrow.  They have no  assets; the only asset they have                                                                    
     is this  stream of assessments that  currently is being                                                                    
     used,  up until  about 2010.   Commercial  banks aren't                                                                    
     really likely to  look at you and say,  "Oh, it's okay,                                                                    
     you don't have  to pay me back for  another six years."                                                                    
     The maximum  principal outstanding  balance at  any one                                                                    
     time would be capped at $30 million.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Generally I've  worked with financial experts;  ... the                                                                    
     current chairman  of AIDEA, Mike Barry,  worked with me                                                                    
     diligently.   We looked at various  bond possibilities,                                                                    
     various types of loans, looking  for the most efficient                                                                    
     effective way  to borrow money,  and this seemed  to be                                                                    
     the best  way.  This  is the  best proposal we  came up                                                                    
     with;  this  is a  backstop.    Hopefully, through  the                                                                    
     process of  assessments, we would never  get here, but,                                                                    
     again, it provides a final safety net.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0986                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL concluded:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     I would  close by  saying [that  HB 403]  provides some                                                                    
     what  I   would  consider   to  be   painful,  somewhat                                                                    
     expensive, very  unpopular provisions.  I  do, however,                                                                    
     believe that  the provisions are not  nearly as painful                                                                    
     as the consequences of no action.   I would urge you to                                                                    
     think about  ..., at a minimum,  temporary interruption                                                                    
     of  benefits  for  598 injured  Alaskan  workers  [and]                                                                    
     financial obligation  going back to 380  employers. ...                                                                    
     This is  safety net,  it's been a  public policy  for a                                                                    
     number of  years in  most all states,  and ...  I would                                                                    
     urge [your] support for the bill.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE mentioned  that the Senate companion  bill [SB 276]                                                               
would be  heard by the committee  at a later date,  and suggested                                                               
that members  limit debate on HB  403 and save the  bulk of their                                                               
questions for the hearing on the Senate bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA asked  how much money is needed  this year to                                                               
make the [Alaska Insurance Guaranty Association] whole.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL  said it  would take  approximately $5.8  million, since                                                               
there is a balance left over  from last year and the $4.2 million                                                               
assessment has already been made for 2004.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARA  asked   why,   under   current  law,   the                                                               
assessments can't be made large  enough to raise the money that's                                                               
needed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL replied:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The  current statute  has  a  2 percent  cap.   That  2                                                                    
     percent cap,  in the  workers' compensation  line, only                                                                    
     raises  $4.2  million.    And  that  has  already  been                                                                    
     assessed  for 2004.   There  was  approximately [a]  $6                                                                    
     million balance brought forward  from last year through                                                                    
     the   loans    and   the   early    distribution   from                                                                    
     Pennsylvania,  and  we  have   done  the  $4.2  million                                                                    
     assessment already.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  asked who  can currently  be assessed  up to                                                               
that 2 percent cap.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1141                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HALL said  that  currently, only  the workers'  compensation                                                               
line can be assessed  that 2 percent.  She went  on to say, "Some                                                               
carriers - Reliance [Insurance Company],  for example - wrote all                                                               
three lines;  they wrote workers' compensation,  they wrote auto,                                                               
they wrote liability,  and so all three lines  are being assessed                                                               
based  on  the  premium  volumes in  their  particular  lines  of                                                               
business."   In response  to a  further question,  she reiterated                                                               
that  if nothing  is done,  the  projection is  that the  [Alaska                                                               
Insurance Guaranty  Association] would  run out  of money  at the                                                               
end of  May, and this  means that there  would be no  claims paid                                                               
for  the rest  of the  year -  June through  December.   The next                                                               
assessment that would  be available would be in  January of 2005.                                                               
She said  that according to her  understanding of interpretations                                                               
of statute, that  January '05 assessment would  go towards paying                                                               
what wasn't paid in '04; in  other words, there would be no money                                                               
with which to pay claims in '05.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA  asked  whom  would  the  [Alaska  Insurance                                                               
Guaranty  Association]  be able  to  assess  if this  legislation                                                               
passes and what would the percentage of that assessment be.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL said that the  workers' compensation assessment would go                                                               
up to  4 percent  for this  year, and  that although  the [Alaska                                                               
Insurance  Guaranty Association]  has  asked for  the ability  to                                                               
assess auto and "other" lines up  to 2 percent, the latter actual                                                               
calculated  assessment today  is  .19 percent  for  '04 and  then                                                               
there would be an additional 2 percent.   She went on to say, "In                                                               
2005, just  to give you an  example of where that  goes, we would                                                               
again assess  4 percent  in the  workers' compensation  line, and                                                               
[.47 percent] in the other two  lines, so we're talking about [.5                                                               
percent] on  auto [and .5  percent] on  the policies that  are in                                                               
the 'other'  bucket."   She reiterated that  the policies  in the                                                               
"other"   bucket  include   "homeowner's,  commercial   property,                                                               
commercial  liability,  boats"  -   everything  except  auto  and                                                               
workers' compensation.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  asked what would  the percentage have  to be                                                               
raised  to if  they only  wanted to  assess workers  compensation                                                               
lines.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL  said she  had not yet  calculated what  that percentage                                                               
would have to  be, but noted that the  workers' compensation line                                                               
is  the smallest  with regard  to premium  volume.   The workers'                                                               
compensation line  raises roughly  $4 million, whereas  the other                                                               
two lines  raise roughly  $15 million.   This  means that  if the                                                               
other two lines were assessed  an additional .5 percent, it would                                                               
amount to  an additional "2  percent minimally, so  somewhere [in                                                               
the range of] 6 to 7 percent."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1304                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS asked if the  percentages will drop as the                                                               
money isn't needed any more.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL said  yes, but noted that if the  legislation is passed,                                                               
the ability to  assess up to the  aforementioned percentages will                                                               
still be there should a similar  situation arise again.  She went                                                               
on to say:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Frankly, today,  we only have three  companies who have                                                                    
     a market  share that could  even potentially put  us in                                                                    
     this crises  situation. ... I  have no  indication that                                                                    
     we have any possibility of  that, but I would never say                                                                    
     never  anymore.   ...  To  carry   out  my   ...  rough                                                                    
     calculations  that  I  presented   a  minute  ago,  the                                                                    
     assessments  for  the  "other" and  the  auto  accounts                                                                    
     would  totally  go  away in  2006,  and  the  [workers'                                                                    
     compensation]  assessment  would   then  drop  to  3.37                                                                    
     [percent]  in  that  year  and  subsequently  it  would                                                                    
     continue  to drop.   So  they would  not stay  at these                                                                    
     levels for an extended period of time. ...                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     I would say there have  been insolvencies; ... we had a                                                                    
     fifth insolvency in the  workers' compensation arena on                                                                    
     February   12.  ...   Protective  National   [Insurance                                                                    
     Company  of  Omaha]  has  not   had  a  certificate  of                                                                    
     authority to operate here since  1991, so we're talking                                                                    
     13 years ago since this  company wrote business, and as                                                                    
     of  their 2002  yearend  financial  statement they  had                                                                    
     $1.6 million  in outstanding Alaska  claims.   And that                                                                    
     gives you an  idea of the long "tail"  on those claims.                                                                    
     So  ...  I think  we  need  to  have a  structure  that                                                                    
     anticipates insolvencies.   We  also, in  ... [another]                                                                    
     bill,  have tried  to  do some  other  things to  bring                                                                    
     about some changes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS   asked  whether  money   recovered  from                                                               
insolvent  companies would  automatically flow  into the  [Alaska                                                               
Insurance Guaranty Association] Fund.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL said yes, but noted  that it generally takes a couple of                                                               
years  before   money  recovered  from  insolvent   companies  is                                                               
distributed.   In  response to  a question,  she said  that "self                                                               
insureds"  are  not covered  by  the  [Alaska Insurance  Guaranty                                                               
Association]  Fund,   nor  are  they  assessed   by  the  [Alaska                                                               
Insurance Guaranty Association].                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1500                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS  moved to  report  CSHB  403(L&C) out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE, after  noting that there were  still questions for                                                               
Ms. Hall, asked that the motion be voided.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked how AIDEA came to be selected.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HALL  explained  that  AIDEA was  selected  because  it  was                                                               
willing  and  would be  acceptable  to  commercial lenders.    In                                                               
response  to a  further question,  she said  that the  cumulative                                                               
maximum deficit is now estimated at $20 million.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1559                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  again moved  to report CSHB  403(L&C) out                                                               
of   committee   with    individual   recommendations   and   the                                                               
accompanying  fiscal  notes.   There  being  no  objection,  CSHB
403(L&C)  was   reported  from   the  House   Judiciary  Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA noted  that he did not want to  slow the bill                                                               
down and  doesn't have a  problem with moving it  from committee.                                                               
However,  he does  have a  concern,  he said,  about passing  the                                                               
additional costs onto consumers  of unrelated lines of insurance.                                                               
He added:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     My  preference  would be  to  fund  that extra  amount,                                                                    
     which would  probably be ...  in the [$1 million  to $2                                                                    
     million] range.  We're $5  million short right now, but                                                                    
     they're    raising   the    assessment   on    workers'                                                                    
     [compensation] ratepayers from 2  percent to 5 percent,                                                                    
     so  that  $5 million  may  ...  [still be  $2  million]                                                                    
     short.  I'd  be much more in favor of  just paying that                                                                    
     through  the general  fund [GF].  ... It  does sort  of                                                                    
     stick  me wrong  as charging  just a  certain class  of                                                                    
     consumers to  pay for an  unrelated class  of problems.                                                                    
     ... I mean,  if it's something that  society should pay                                                                    
     for, society pay  for it, and that's  the general fund.                                                                    
     ...                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE said  that is  a  fair argument,  and offered  her                                                               
understanding that  at least as  of today, the Senate  version of                                                               
the bill does  contain a provision whereby funds  would come from                                                               
the general fund.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA suggested  that if  other members  share his                                                               
view, an  option would be  to hold HB  403 in committee  and wait                                                               
for the Senate version to come before the committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE suggested  instead that  they report  HB 403  from                                                               
committee  and debate  the Senate  version when  it comes  before                                                               
them,  adding that  the  Speaker has  indicated  that the  Senate                                                               
version  will be  the  vehicle that  moves  through the  process.                                                               
Therefore, when  SB 276 comes  before the committee,  members can                                                               
review whether  it still contains  the general-fund  language and                                                               
debate the issue at that time.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[HB 403(L&C) was reported from committee.]                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                

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